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Chronos the Defiler · Apr 29, 2008, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by gremlin

It could be a move towards a console version since many of those use the standard gamepad it could make sense to go in that direction.

Probably inevitable for most future games since the console market is so large.

Most future games EXCEPT online PC based MMORPGs

joshuarodger · Apr 29, 2008, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by Akasuki

You are really this lazy?

read my whole post man. i said it's useful for mapping also. there are some areas of the game where mouse clicking is much easier than wasd keys to get to hard to reach areas. you'll figure it out when you try and map tyria.

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Originally Posted by Chronos the Defiler

Zoom in, look at your target and press R? takes about 1 1/2 seconds

click the mouse. it takes about a 1/4 of a second.

geez, my point was that it is easier, not that wasd is hard. i use wasd, my little variation of it, for most gameplay, i find it easier for most situations. there are situations, however when mouse-clicking is easier and faster. that's my point. either way it's not gonna stop me from playing GW 2. so stop flaming and try and look at the whole situation from other points of view.

warcrap · Apr 29, 2008, 10:59 PM // 22:59

this may or may not be correct i just read it:
the reason they are removing a click-to-move utility is to implement extremely dynamic movement meaning you can basically do anything and move anyway you want "movement will be completely unrestrained"
for example, your running and you see a nearby tree branch you jump up grab the branch then start swinging as you swing you let go and jump to a rocky ledge were you can sidle your way across the hill, also if there is slippery surface you may slide to increase speed.
i haven't really heard much but movement will be really dynamic and in order to make it this way click-to-move must be eliminated.
im not gonna pass up gw2 for such a trivial thing.

Burst Cancel · Apr 30, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

I'm not happy about it, but I can understand not including it. Click-to-move only works well if pathing isn't complicated. If they're going to be doing stuff like jumping and swinging on trees, mouse movement would be a nightmare to implement (probably).

Mouse movement has a number of non-trivial advantages:
- Instant direction change. You don't have to turn to change directions, nor do you have to backpedal or sidestep.
- You can look in a direction other than the one you're running in. Using stuff like autorun doesn't allow this.
- Frees up keyboard for other shortcut keys (i.e., monks can map party members 1-8 to QWERASDF).
- As a corollary to the above, you can move without holding down keys or resorting to autorun - one click, one move - which frees up your fingers for other keys at the same time.
- Shortest path at close distance. The game calculates the shortest straight-line path to your click point, which is usually shorter than your own WASD navigation. Granted, good WASD players come pretty close.
- Click-and-forget. You can click to move to a particular spot and then turn your attention to anything else (checking any of your UI windows, rearrange your inventory - be creative).

WASD mostly has precision/positional advantage, in that it's much easier to be exactly where you want to be, and you don't get screwed by weird pathing around bridges and other obstacles, or by accidentally clicking on an object instead of the ground.

I used to be a WASD player, but I switched to mouse-movement over a year ago and never looked back.

0wn3d · Apr 30, 2008, 02:23 AM // 02:23

Since I've played a ton of fps games I prefer WASD and I barely left click to move, but i right click to change my camera angle.

Shadow · Apr 30, 2008, 04:29 AM // 04:29

I was a bit dismayed that it wouldn't be included. It was generally easier to tell my character to figure out how to get there rather than to figure it out myself with the case of being up on a hill with only one pathway down and whatnot. But I imagine the z axis will eliminate this problem. I'm sure it'll be fine.

MagmaRed · Apr 30, 2008, 04:39 AM // 04:39

Have you read the sticky topic at the top of Sardelac?

pumpkin pie · Apr 30, 2008, 05:10 AM // 05:10

- OPTION TOGGLE -

I've heard that it will be disable as well, i use both keyboard and mouse to move, in different situation, the truth is they are both useful.

especially getting out of a body block situation.

- TOGGLE OPTION -

HawkofStorms · Apr 30, 2008, 05:29 AM // 05:29

WASD is far superior for kiting/serious play. You literally just can't perform certain sidestep moves with a mouse.

Only time I use click to walk was when I was first learning the game or whenever I get lost/stuck in a complex/multileveled area.

Gli · Apr 30, 2008, 05:55 AM // 05:55

Mouse-click movement is convenient. I like convenience. Having to move by keyboard 100% of the time is inconvenient. I don't like inconvenience. I especially don't like inconvenience intruding upon my entertainment. It defeats the point of entertainment. Which is why I'm not buying into GW2 if it doesn't have mouse-click movement.

Keyboard movement is fine at times when that's what I need to do to get the job done, but really, I couldn't be assed to move around huge outposts and trivially easy parts of the game with keyboard movement exclusively. I'd be tired and annoyed with it after 5 minutes.

DarkGanni · Apr 30, 2008, 06:09 AM // 06:09

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Originally Posted by Oliasys

Keyboard navigation is just so, so, antiquated and outdated.

Yes you're right Sir, every pc game these days is played with mental powers called psychic powers and floating gamepads, Also heard the computers come without keyboards cause they are outdated.

/endsarcasm

As far as I know most pc games these days are played with Keyboard + Mouse together and you say keyboard is outdated.

nuff said.

pamelf · Apr 30, 2008, 06:28 AM // 06:28

i'm happy so long as my right mouse button is still used to change my camera angle. I love that feature, and I usually stop playing games in about 5 days now that don't have that feature because it just drives me crazy.

Operative 14 · Apr 30, 2008, 06:43 AM // 06:43

How about if you try the game first before deciding not to buy it for such a trivial matter? If they don't have click to move, then they are going to have a user interface that is at least equally as easy to use.

Gli · Apr 30, 2008, 07:08 AM // 07:08

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Originally Posted by Operative 14

How about if you try the game first before deciding not to buy it for such a trivial matter? If they don't have click to move, then they are going to have a user interface that is at least equally as easy to use.

Controls and user interface aren't a trivial matter.

Punio4 · Apr 30, 2008, 09:58 AM // 09:58

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